Promises-promises… The Su-101

The Su-100M and the Su-101 (or Uralmash-1, that’s the name of the factory) have a rear-mounted superstructure housing the main gun like the Jagdpanther 2 has. This design approach has its own advantages like better centre of gravity and thus maneuverability. It allows a long and heavy gun and thicker frontal armor on a medium tank chassis, the crew can bail out in cover through the stern door of the vehicle, you don’t have to be afraid of driving the gun barrel into the ground, etc. Wiki sums it up nicely.

The mobility is maybe the only strength of the vehicle

This is the level of a really fast and agile medium tank. The Su-101 can keep up with any medium, it can escort them through position-rushes, flanking and exploitation maneuvers. Maybe it’s too mobile because it felt like it had ice skates instead of tracks, but that could be the work of the new physics. The turn rate of the Su-101 is excellent, nothing sort of a T-50 can circle-strafe it without tracking.

The terrain is our enemy in the Su-101. Every little mound can rob us seconds from our precious aim time, and there are a lot more of them in 8.0. Fighting on hilly terrain is just plain torture.

The gun depression is mere 2 degrees (the JP2 has 5). The elevation is good, we can pose as an SPG with that 18 degrees. The horizontal gun movement is also limited at +/- 6 degrees (Su-100 has 10).

Su-101 gun depression and horizontal movement

How bad is that?

Well, when  Super Pershing at  its usual snail pace and at 200 meters can move out crossways from our reticle before we can focus on, it’s that bad. The short by Russian standards aim time does not help much. And we still have the penetration problem (for sentences like this thinks Google that we are a porn site). In 8.0, 219 avg won’t deter a frag-hungry T-54 or E-50. An ISU can hurt everything badly, the guns of the Ferdinand and JP2, the American T28s and the French AMX AC Mle. 1948 are feared and respected, the Su-101 won’t be. And this is the top gun, a joyful grind with only 175 penetration awaits! If only the never-used BL-9S of the ISU-152 was available but no.

Did I mention the 1200 per each projectile cost and the limited, only 36 rounds of ammo load? This TD can make us broke, we will be lucky if we won’t have a loss per each battle on non-premium account. This tank is a goddamn credit and free-experience sinker.

It burns a lot

We have a mere 320 hitpoints  alpha strike with medium tank-like rate of fire. That doesn’t sound so bad, but when paired with only 990 hitpoints it’s obvious, that we will go down fast in a peek and boo fight. A Ferdinand or E-75 can two-shot us, any penetrating hit through the front hull can destroy the front-mounted engine or lite up the whole tank, so literally one round can knock us out from the battle.

Protection

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22 responses to “Promises-promises… The Su-101

  1. This is perhaps the price one has to pay for acquiring the OBJ 263, which is as OP as these are underpowered.

    It could be that WG wants to make the most from the new TD line, and really want those who want the OP OBJ263 to pay for it by using huge amounts of Free XP in order to skip Su100M and Su101.

    I was late to the Russian TD line, and found Su100 to be superb. Its great fun specially with the new MM. Its surely a bit OP for Tier 6 matches (two shotting almost everything) but very effective against Tier7s and Tier 8s. Su100M is a POS compared to the Su100 (for its tier) and specially compared to the Su152 (same tier).

    • you’re completely right with WG’s take on new TD line(s) but SU-100 isn’t OP, it really isn’t very effective against T8, especially when that T8 driver knows what he’s doing (i can bounce 175mm pen with my PII most of times). look at T8 TD of all nations – they can hurt frontally every tank two tiers up – SU-100 cant do that.

  2. Object 263 is evil. It bounced a gold round from the Maus’ gun…..on a friggin’ view port in the front superstructure. It wasn’t perfectly on level with Maus either. It was above me on sloped side of a ridge.

      • You are forgetting that the introduction of the Object 263 has now the best frontal armor in the game… 250 mm at a 60 degree angle makes 435… the E-100 cannot match that for 200 at a 50 degree is only 380 mm. YES I CALCULATED MYSELF… I USED A PROTRACTOR AND DID THE MATH MYSELF… Flippy617 out

  3. This is getting old now. Keep all the mid-tier tanks underpowered and the top-tier tanks overpowered on release, to motivate people to spend gold. Then, gradually buff the mid-tier tanks and nerf the top-tier tanks to move the game back into balance.

    I’m just waiting for them to buff it now. Maybe I’ll get it in half a year, when it finally doesn’t suck.

  4. to recap something here that was way before wotarmory’s times.
    E75 always was stated to have much stronger lower plate than E100.
    – 130mm at 60 = 211mm compared to 150mm at 50 = 202mm which made a lot of senses.
    If it is tested here that E75 has 120mm at 60 = 195mm which is less than E100 then E75 MUST HAD BEEN STEALTH NERFED by WG. I remembered way back when E series tank just went live, it was very much stated that E75 has 130mm LFP.

    I played these tanks way back then and I know what they were. I am 100% sure about this.

      • same thing was done to PzIV in one of the 0.7.x patches: traverse turning bug – it wasn’t a bug (bug that can be fixed in 1 day and is live for months isn’t a bug), it was a test stealth nerf for WG to see if nerfing mobility will decrease PzIV global win rate (thats why they didn’t want to fix it fast). as we know now it didn’t and WG got “brilliant” idea to make money – one of the most loved tanks in WoT becomes premium and normal version is nerfed so much it becomes completely different tank.

  5. It is a good thing they nerfed Su-101. In the first Testserver it made the Jagdpanther II completely obsolete. The only the JP-2 had better than the Su-101 were a ridiculous 50 points of damage. Absolutely EVERYTHING ELSE on the Su-101 was better.

    • True, but they should have taken a middle-of-the-road option like BL-9S (which would be very useful if you go down both USSR TD lines, if you unlock it through Uralmash-1 you have a grinder gun before the BL-10, if you unlock it through ISU-152 you have the top gun of the other unlocked). I also figured that the SU-100M1 would obsolete T25AT (better armour, speed, gun) but at that time I did not know about the ridiculously crappy gun arc and gun depression.

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