IS-7 8.0 armor update

Fine, less work for me…

So, no improvement for the IS-7 lower plate in 8.0, moreover, it even lost some compared to the live version. What we get in 8.0 is a tougher angled UFP but a bit weaker LFP.

Why is that is anybody’s guess. I think, this has something to do with the WG-type game balancing. German Tier X heavies won’t get competitive guns, but with such ninja nerfs the company generate a weak spot for them. The lower hull armor in 8.0 is kinda historical now. It behaves as a 150 thick plate at 53 degrees from vertical slope should, but this very same armor was definitely stronger before (and it is on live).

The good news in the bad news are that our previous and revised for 7.5 head-on armor scheme needed only minimal modification. I would like to let a note for the Russian bias chanting crow though. The pike nose of the IS-7 in 8.0 does not benefit from the “in-built” lateral angle as it should have, like the IS-3 or IS-8 does in the game on live.

It’s like 150 mm thick armor with 65 degrees slope from vertical or 300/355 mm WoT-equivalent armor vs AP/HEAT. No benefit from the head-on optimised pike shape at all, nada, nothing, but it still has the disadvantages (the effective armor loss when angled). In fact, the IS-7 has the most downgraded armor compared to the historical ever in WoT.

The general rules of IS-7 armor-facing tactics in 8.0

  • The upper front plate keeps its immunity against Tier X tank guns at +/- 15 degrees. These guns start to penetrate it above that.

  • The exposed part of the 95 mm thick lower side hull between the running wheels and the reinforced upper side hull is vulnerable from 25 degrees side angle (65 minus 5 degrees impact) against frontal shots at high angle. This value is most similar to the T110E5.

  • Range can help the armor of the IS-7  in two way. You can drive close enough (20 meters or less) to hide your lower hull from the depressed gun of a turreted/very tall opponent, or you can keep your distance (100 meters or more) to increase your  armor efficiency. The weak spots are hard to hit even with accurate guns at that range.
  • 120 mm HEAT with 380 average penetration can penetrate the front hull anywhere and it can pierce wider part of the front turret than AP. The IS-7 is less armored against gold ammo from the front than the T110E5.

IS-7 upper hull vulnerability at different angles

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30 responses to “IS-7 8.0 armor update

  1. Odd – I’ve found the IS-7 to be a bit of a beast on the Test Server, and it’s felt more like the old unstoppable force that it used to be, many moons back. Also – the sides and rear do feel a lot more resilient to attack, even bouncing gold rounds from a T100E4 at about 100m on more than one occasion.

  2. Even with just tiny 1 weakness, German guns still stand no chance most of the time. Why don’t they just up gun for the German so that Russian fans won’t go crazy about this nerf. I just don’t understand WG at all.

    • You mean the maus & E-100 gun I guess, because the E-50 and E-50M guns are pro and the JT and E-100TD all have good guns.

      In fact, when driving my IS-7, god knows TX meds shred me to pieces… but then again, they shred everything else too :p
      Imo, it is time they buff the IS-7 as with all these modern guns, it’s armor is not as reliable anymore, and it hasn’t really have a big health pool compared to other TX tanks + low pen & low accuracy gun.

      Again, I say this in comparison to the IS-4 gun & armor & HP upgrade, Maus & E-100 got buffed, T110E4 has +/- same armor & mobility but a great gun… and we all know TX meds and TD’s are pew pew (aside from the E-100jagd maybe).
      So yes, whilst IS-7 is still bouncy, it’s time to buff it by a little bit.

  3. This nerf in test server is not ninja, all tanks in test server are subject to change and WG don´t have to public this until the former update.

    UFP same? WTF, i expect this to going inpenetrable.

    You have any info/impression of IS-4?

      • This is crazy, what the hell are they doing there?

        Okay it gives the IS-7 a more german tank gun friendly frontalarmor, but i think angles of the tanks should not be changed beyond the historical parameters.

        So UFH is 150@65° and @xx° sideangle?
        That means 300mm+ armor.

        The american 120mm is abled to penetrate 336mm of armor theoretically.
        That said, you say that the 155T2 is not abled to penetrate it 50% of the time.
        So either its exactly 300mm or 300+mm.

        Could you check it out with russian gun with 303mm penetration?

        Either the armor thickness is decreased or the normalisation change was
        partly a lie. Something still has to be wrong here.

      • I can,but the IS-7 was always an oddball. Probably there isn’t any side angle bonus for the pike.

        The 7.5 UFP base armor is probably like 280 mm WoT-equivalent, the 8.0 is about 300.

      • But when we consider that the game mechanics consider any kind of angle (testing acutally shows that) than the pure thickness of the UFP has to be decreased.

        But yea, it always had been an odd piece of steel, histrocally armor thickness would probably be ~ 380-400 with the side angle.

        So yea, i dont understand how the ingame model works right now.

      • This reminds me on the old armor homogenisation factor.
        For example: In the beta: the tiger had an factor of 1.1 which means it had an effictive front armor of 110mm.
        These values are still listed at wotdb.info for example.

        Another tank which might be influeced by such values is the E50M, seriously this thing is abeled to bounce TX guns, i really cant understand how!

        It needs some testing!

      • Nice to hear that, a comparision with the E50 would be awesome!!

        I had a closer look to the E50 and the M variant, i noticed than that the lower half of the upper front plate has a larger angle than the upper part of the UFP.
        Thats interesting, maybe the bouncyness comes from there!

        Regards

  4. The armor homogenisation factor is no more active in game, all tanks have the same factor of 1, confirmed by devs in russian forum.

    In IS7 armor, guys what gun you test after the gun of 269 pen?

  5. IS-4 is kind of weird . Its upper front only 10mm more than the KT, and not as slope as IS-7 or IS-8, but bounce like the E-75, AMX FOCH upper front.

    And the E-50M is bouncy. Trust me, its upper front is a lot harder than T54.

    Btw, E-50 lower glacis is the same as it upper glacis, 120mm. While E-75 lower glacis is only 10mm more, and looks like has been nerf in 8.0 to the level of 7.5 E-50

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